AMD Ryzen Eco Mode Deep-Dive & Benchmarks on R9 7950X (Zen 4)

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AMD Ryzen 7000 CPUs on Zen 4, including the R7 7700X, R5 7600X, R9 7900X, and Ryzen 9 7950X, have an optional “Eco Mode” feature in BIOS that can be enabled for power savings. There will be a cost to performance, naturally, but the goal is to minimize the negative trade-off and maximize the power savings (and reduction of heat). In this video, we’re benchmarking the preset Eco Mode options (65W vs. 105W vs. Stock/170W) on an AMD Ryzen 9 7950X CPU. The tests mostly focus on a focused list of parts — namely, the new Ryzen parts — with a few showings vs. Intel’s i9-13900K CPU.

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00:00 – Explaining AMD Eco Mode on Zen 4
01:37 – When You’d Use Eco Mode
03:19 – Precision Boost Overdrive vs. Eco Mode vs. PB2
05:41 – Eco Limits Defined
06:37 – TDP IS NOT POWER CONSUMPTION
08:55 – Benchmarks: Power Consumption All-Core
09:57 – Single-Core Power Consumption
10:35 – Frequency Changes (Eco Mode On vs. Off, 105W & 65W)
11:32 – Frequency Stability Over Time
12:17 – Thermal Test Setup
13:35 – Thermal Benchmarks (7950X Stock vs. Eco Mode)
14:47 – Power Efficiency Benchmarks
16:06 – Blender Render Speed Benchmarks
17:27 – Chromium Code Compile CPU Benchmarks (Eco Mode)
18:13 – File Compression & Decompression Testing
19:46 – Adobe Photoshop CPU Benchmarks (7950X 65W vs. 105W vs. Stock)
20:30 – Adobe Premiere CPU Benchmarks in AMD Eco Mode
21:10 – Gaming on Eco Mode Discussion
21:57 – GTA V Eco Mode Benchmarks on AMD Ryzen 7000
22:36 – CSGO AMD Zen 4 Eco Mode Benchmarks
23:28 – Far Cry 6 CPU Benchmarks
23:50 – Final Fantasy XIV CPU Benchmarks in Eco Mode
24:16 – Additional Gaming Benchmarks
24:46 – Conclusion: Eco Mode on AMD Ryzen

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[Music] We're back with testing for ryzen 7000 CPUs this time it's eco mode we're gonna Be looking at the 7950x at 65 Watts or At least 65 watt as it's defined in eco Mode 105 watts and then 170 Watts also At eco mode and really what we're Looking at here is if you take a preset Group of values and apply them to the AMD 7950x to bring down the effective Power consumption how much does that Impact the performance for the trade-off That you're making because it feels a Little bit bad if you spend 700 you buy A part and then you go into BIOS and you Intentionally limit the performance but With how much power the 7950x consumes At over 250 plus watts and with the Middle in efficiency at best this might Actually make some sense and you've Probably seen some discussion around it Already but we're just now going back Through all the follow-ups that we've Survived the onslaught of reviews Following the sub 7000 series with Intel And then Nvidia and also more Intel so Time to look at eco mode and see how it Stacks up before that this video is Brought to you by Monte Sky one light PC Case the sky one light is montec's high Airflow case with ventilated front panel Included fans and RGB LED accents this Guy one light is a compact mid tower Case for ATX builds and the argb LED

Quick connect on the front panel makes It easy to maintain the case without all The cables dust filters are Strategically placed and there's basic Cable management features while still Maintaining a competitive price learn More at the link in the description Below so this is mostly something if You've there's two things you can look At here there's thermal and there's Power and then there's sort of a Tertiary one of power efficiency and With thermal and power if you are for Some reason concerned about the Relatively High numbers you'll see for T Die of 95 degrees Celsius for 7950x Because that's what it boosts to then This would bring that number down Because you are going to be power Capping the CPU rather than thermal Capping it in most conditions now the Same is true for just power consumption In general or efficiency where tapping The performance Will give you probably an efficiency Boost now part of that is because Anytime you take Parts especially that Are Flagship and you drop off a little Bit of the top end for performance you Can strain them by power even by say 10 Percent normally the efficiency swing There is massive because what the Companies do is they push as much Through as they can in most cases to try

And get the last percentage point on the Chart just in case their competitor Bumps that out of slot one and into slot Two for one or two percent performance Swing in the chart so it's a competitive Thing it's always a debate of do we want To run this thin the optimal efficiency Out of the box or we want to try and Make sure we're first place and AMD went For first place and they absolutely blew It all in the power budget as a result Now ryzen's eco mode is technically not New it was actually sort of introduced Back with Zen 2 or the 3000 Series we Just didn't really cover it back then it Wasn't it wasn't as necessary it was Those were fairly low power CPUs in General so now with Zen 4 eco mode is More closely tied with PBO or Precision Boost overdrive PBO is off by default or It's supposed to be and if it's not you Need to rat out the motherboard vendor Who's leaving it on so it's off by Default that is not the same as Precision boost 2. Precision boost 2 is Part of the normal boosting behavior of Ryzen CPUs pb2 is a is the name for how They boost under stock out of the box Conditions PBO or overdrive is one where You start changing how they behave stock But eco mode is tied to PBO even though It's kind of going in the more efficient Less power Direction rather than just Blasting the clocks and the reason is

Because for eco mode it's really just Presets or groups of numbers that are Defined by AMD for power and current Limits that are adjusted within PBO Typically and some of them happen to be Below stock hence Eco the things that You're manipulating with Eco Mode are Specifically PPT TDC and EDC and we'll Cover Andy's definitions for each of These so PBT is the package power Tracking value this is the allowed Socket power consumption permitted Across the voltage rails that Supply in The socket applications with high thread Counts or heavy threads can encounter PBT limits that can be alleviated with a Raised PPT limit TDC or thermal design Current is the maximum current in amps Of course that can be delivered by a Specific motherboard's voltage regulator Configuration in a thermally constrained Scenario and then EDC or the electrical Design current is the maximum current in Amps that can be delivered by a specific Motherboard's voltage regulator in a Peak or a spike condition for a short Period of time now we actually Originally covered some of this stuff When we did our Precision boost Overdrive piece which you should Definitely watch because that technology Hasn't changed from whenever we covered It till now it's the same idea it gives You a lot of really good base knowledge

Of how Horizon works if you're Interested in learning how the CPUs Actually work so these variables they Come together to form zenforce Ctdp or configurable thermal design Power we've made a simple table of these Values across the stock TDP to try and Help out here there's three of them Mainly to look at PBT has stayed the Same between am5 and am4 for the 65 watt And the 105 watt tdps but both TDC and EDC are higher 170 watt mode is new for Am5 with higher limits across the board These higher limits are part of the Reason AMD redesigned the socket and the Wanted more power to be available for Zen 4 and whatever's after it I uh I don't know why I said it that way Probably five Normally after four Maybe there's gonna be a plus For the 170 Watt 7950x and 7900x the Stock limits are the same as the 170 Watt eco mode and the 105 Watt 7700x and 7600x stock limits are the same as the 105 watt eco mode numbers that means Eco Mode's at the same TDP as stock for a Given CPU should give identical Performance per amd's guidance one thing We want to make clear again is that TDP Does not equal actual power consumed It's the same for installers Intel for a While was actually pretty close they're Kind of way off every now and then

Depends on how towers work anyway for AMD TDP is not the same as power Consumption necessarily they try to get It close but uh in this case it's not Even in line with amd's own PPT TDP for AMD is based on this formula and one of The variables Theta CA or thermal Resistance of the cooler is defined by AMD the other ones are also actually Defined by it's all defined by AMD and None of these are power except for the One that this equals when you're done Calculating it so AMD did this Originally so that I could tweak the TDP Numbers to closely match intels and this Was so it could get OEM system builders On board with its New Zen architecture This was back in the day so they Designed the formula to reverse engineer The number that they wanted it to be Think about that for a second the Problem was we need our number to equal The incumbents number Intel who's in all The OEM builds because bulldozer was a Dumpster fire and later got them soon so We need these two numbers to be the same How do we do that create a formula where We can put stuff in and get that and That's what they did and I it's kind of at this point it's just How that's how they're all done and if You're interested in the video and Learning about why they did it this way And what it means for you you could

Click on that link somewhere up here in The description that means the TDP value Changes depending on what cooler is Being used to calculate it by AMD for Am5 CPUs AMD also told us that thermal Resistance in the formula is different This time than from the am4c views that Means TDP numbers are no longer directly Comparable 65 watts and am4 is not 65 Watts in am5 so just your regular Important reminder TDP has no bearing Really on actual power consumption they Try to get it closed but it's because They put numbers in to try and make it Equal it okay so enough of all the setup Let's get into the numbers we'll start With all core power consumption which is Where it'll be the most noticeable we'll Kick off the charts with power Consumption and blender test out the EPS 12 volt cables stock power with the new Bios is 263 Watts placing it near the Very bottom of our chart but still ahead Of the 3900k it's pulling 66 percent More power than 105 watt eco mode as Well which has the 750x at a massively Reduced 158 Watts that 158 is 16 Watts More than the PBT limit dictates for 105 Watt mode and it's not anywhere close to 105 Watts because of reasons we told you Earlier but this has the 7950x Effectively tied with a 13600k that's an Impressive reduction and will have Implications for the efficiency section

In a big way 65 watt eco mode comes in At even lower power at 89 Watts draw Which is in line with the pvt limit of 88 watts and then it's 174 Watts lower Than stock so it's pretty crazy to see The 16 core part putting up such a wide Range of power consumption numbers but That'll have an impact on performance And we'll look at that in a moment Especially with the frequency change Next is our single Core Power chart Measured in the same way as the all core Test and performed using cinebench the 7950x at stock measured at 55 Watts at The EVS 12 volt cables barely lower than The infamous FX 9590 and time 65 watt Eco mode exactly 105 Watts was Technically slightly lower than that but We consider this within variance for This particular test 105 watt mode Pulled seven percent more than the 700x And 52 more than the 7700x but again Even with the power restrictions of 105 Watt and 65 watt modes single core Workload simply don't push the 7950x Enough to run into the power limits our Frequency bar chart represents the Average frequency in megahertz across All cores during our in-house GN logo Blender render after reaching steady State stock Baseline for our 7950x is 5103 megahertz average which is 306 Megahertz faster than the 105 watt mode But remember this is an all core

Workload so that's 306 megahertz Averaged as an increase across all 16 Cores that is a huge increase it takes a Ton of power to get that extra 300 Megahertz though when you're already Near the limit of stability 65 watt mode Has the R9 running more than a thousand Megahertz below stock it's really Falling off here due to those power Constraints and at this stage you're Going to kill some performance to the Extent that maybe it's better to buy Something else instead of dropping to 65 Watts a better power supply would be a Good consideration here this will result In less performance at 65 watt eco mode But we'll need to see how it shapes up In the benchmarks next we have the Frequency plot over time just to Illustrate the stability of the average Clocks in each mode the stock line plots A nearly flat frequency for the entirety Of this test there's some fluctuation in Initial drop off as load ramps but Overall it's flat the platform 105 watt Mode is less stable than stock Exhibiting how the boosting Behavior Finds opportunistically the highest Valid clock at any moment given the Lower power Headroom the highest spikes Get within a few megahertz of the Baseline so that's a sign that less Heavily threaded or burstier workloads Should have 105 watt mode near stock

Performance 65 watt mode shows less Consistency and a wider deviation from The mean than 105 watt mode and at a Lower average frequency this will give Less mathematically predictable all-core Performance in timed tests CPU thermals Are next for this we're still using our Arctic liquid freezer 2 360. We Run 100 Fan speeds for all tests because the Point of these reviews is to have Everything be controlled and to Unconstrain the CPUs as much as we can Because it's a CPU Benchmark so for this We have controls for that we're also Running an ambient temperature of 21 Degrees Celsius and this is important Because as background information the Temperature is not like a cinebench Score we've seen plenty of discussion Online where people are like The 7600x runs at 60 degrees Celsius That's not how it works the CPU runs at A temperature depending on all of the Other factors contributing to the cpu's Performance so the cooler is one of the Big ones and this seems basic but it is A common misconception uh the one Interesting difference this generation As a reminder is that Zen 4 with like a 750x for example will boost especially To hit a thermal limit a thermal ceiling Of 95 degrees Celsius so changing the Cooler will change the frequency rather Than the temperature under stock

Conditions with normal cooling so that's Something to be aware of if you're not Already just like in our original review Stock settings have the 750x hitting a Wall around 95 degrees Celsius as that's The standard thermal limit for Zen four Things get interesting with 105 watt eco Mode where 95c is out the window and the 7950x runs at only 62 degrees Celsius or 34 degrees lower than in stock that's an Enormous difference given the relatively Small Gap in average frequency but again That's a gap against all cores so that's Uh the 300 megahertz it really adds up These huge drops are because the cpu's Limit is being shifted from thermals to Power and it shows another angle of just How much AMD lets the 750x run past the Point of efficiency just to squeeze out Every drop of performance it'd be Similar to running an older like 5600x Or something in terms of power Target or At least well sort of TDP anyway our Next chart is for performance per watt Efficiency and what we're looking at Here is Watt hours so we have a fixed Unit of work which is rendering one Frame we have a time that's dependent on The performance of the CPU and then we Know the power consumption at any given Point during the test so we can Calculate its efficiency or how how much Energy does it really require to get That unit of work done the 750x at stock

Ranks 26.4 Watt hours isn't tied with The stock 700x 105 watt eco mode is a Lot better at an impressive 36 percent More efficient than stock and 65 watt Mode posts a 30 Improvement uh on top of That so that takes the top spot in our Chart now and like we said earlier You'll be giving up some all core Performance to do that so it becomes Questionable whether it's actually a Good purchase if you run that constraint Both Eco modes on the 7550x are mark an Improvement over the 5950x which was our Previous efficiency champion at 19 Watt Hours the other is on four CPUs fall Short of these marks it's possible they Would Place higher here if running in Their own eco mode but we had to draw The line somewhere with testing feel Free to try them out yourself though if You're using one of the other CPUs the 3900k at stock is far outclassed by the Sony 50x for efficiency in either eco Mode option with the 105 watt mode at 48 More efficient Intel is blast in power At stock for the 1300k to compete in all Core workloads and so is AMD we'll check Out the app absolute performance soon Ultimately if all core load efficiency Is something you care a lot about you'd Be well served by the 7950x and 105 watt Eco mode 65 Watts for Pure efficiency Sure that said the speed at which the Work gets done matters a lot too so

Let's get into that our first production Test is blender where we measure the Time it takes to complete an in-house GM Logo render and results are in minutes With lower being better we're presenting A truncated chart for this so for more CPUs check out our 13600k review where You'll get everything the 750x at stock Completed the render in six minutes and That's six percent less time required Than the 105 watt 7950x matching the Earlier average frequency results that's Impressive when considering the earlier Mentioned 100 plus watt savings so far Things look good for 105 watt eco mode If this is the kind of work you do to Make money it would be seriously worth Calculating the difference between the Time Savings of stock and the power Savings of 105 watt mode realistically Though the power cost won't matter a lot For people unless you're running renders Actually non-stop all core maybe even on Multiple machines depending on power Cost where you live 65 watt mode Finished in eight minutes and it was Beaten by 105 watt mode by 20 time Reduced tying the 12 core 7900x at stock Interesting in its own way but it falls Short of the 3900k losing 20 percent to The 105 watt mode is kind of a lot here So we wouldn't recommend 65 watt mode For work like this for most users you're In territory where it's probably better

To just buy something else instead next Is a chromium code compile test in Windows again measured in minutes the 750x at stock finished the test in 38 Minutes only being topped by the less Expensive 3900k at six percent time Reduced 105 watt eco mode makes another Strong showing functionally tying stock For much less power and at lower Temperatures 65 watt mode finishes six Percent faster than the 7800x and only Permits a 13 10 lead for the stock Results but remember that the 7900x is 550 so if you're actually thinking of Running 65 Watts it may be better to Just save that money for something else In your build like say the 700x plus a 150 more expensive power supply that'll Last you a decade and get you similar Long-term efficiency gains and be usable In other systems in the future moving on To file compression testing we used Seven Zips built-in Benchmark where the Score is measured in millions of Instructions per second or mips 105 watt Eco mode on the 7550x scored within one Percent of stock and outperformed 65 Watt mode by nine percent there's not Much downsides using the 105 watt mode Here but a 10 hit for 65 watts is Chopping a lot of performance off of an Expensive part that's basically 70 worth Of your purchase since scaling between Stock and 105 watt motor so tight

Comparisons to the other CPUs on the Chart are not really noticeable in Differences other than inherent Differences in power the 700x is Outperformed by the 7950 by 17 105 mode And eight percent in 65 watt mode and Again 150 bucks cheaper upfront cost for The 700x the 700x might just be a better Choice between them if you're using this Mode switching to decompression the 7950x at stock now has a five percent Advantage over 105 watt mode which Itself leads 65 watt mode by 20 another One of the massive gaps here we usually See a wider gap between parts and Decompression and compression so so far This is expected Behavior we also see Zen's specific Advantage here in Comparison to a 13900k where the 750x And 105 watt mode tied the I9 in Compression but it now overtakes it by 14 and decompression so a big switch up There 65 watt eco mode is five percent Ahead of the 7900x and it cleanly Doubles the stock 7600x which is an Absolutely irrelevant comparison other Than it's kind of interesting to look at We'll finish off our production test With the Adobe suite starting with Photoshop we used Puget bench to run Through a set of functions and calculate An aggregate score 105 watt eco mode Ties stock performance here and 65 watt Mode only gives up a five percent lead

In this instance that's pretty good for Lower power targets compared to the out Of the box thermals in fact performance Across all CPUs tested is pretty similar Although the 1300k stands out with a Seven percent advantage or the 750x is 105 watt eco mode result if Photoshop is A big use case for your PC you have a Lot of high performance options right Now and it's up to you to pick your Priority between absolute performance of The 39K price efficiency with a 13600k Or power efficiency with a 750x and eco Mode finally we have Premiere benched in A similar way to photoshop and scored in Aggregate the 750x in stock outperforms 105 watt eco mode by a very narrow Margin which itself leads the 700x by Six percent and ties with the 3900k this Really Narrows down that 105 watt mode Gives up next to nothing in production Performance most the time compared to Stock settings the Gap is a little wider With 65 watt eco mode where stocks Scored 10 better still not bad given the Massive power difference and thermal Difference but as Premier users Ourselves we wouldn't readily want to Give up 10 that performance is just Worth way more to us to get our jobs Done quickly and 10 could be the Difference of it scrubbing painfully and Not we're going to get into gaming Charts now but the 750x we didn't

Recommend it for gaming in our review as Just like you that's the thing you're Doing with it it's really for production Work and the gaming it's it's nice that It can do it but you should buy Something else if that's all you're Doing so that's not going to change here Our conclusion will be the same it's a Huge waste of money if all you're doing Is gaming Um now keep in mind that the theme of This is to see if eco mode impacts Anything and to find those changes and How negatively your performance gets hit So all you're really looking for here is If eco mode results are close to stock Then it's in good shape if you see it Better in most instances says that's Because it's with an error so if you see A difference of one FPS and eco mode is Technically better it's Error we'll Start with the gaming benchmarks for GTA 5 which gives us some scaling between Eco mode and stock on the 750. stock Settings have the 750x at 177 FPS Average with a 2.7 lead over the 65 watt Eco mode as a reminder GTA 5 has an Engine limit at about 187.5 FPS average So we're close enough to that cap that Some of the frame rate is getting shaved Off by engine limitations not by the CPU Or the GPU 105 watt mode is within Variants of stock performance which is Going to be the theme for the rest of

The gaming section for a cross-brand Comparison the Intel I9 3900k is five Percent ahead of the 105 watt 7950x Moving to CS go at 1080p the scaling is More limited stock is tied with the 105 Watt 7950x and just barely two percent Ahead of the 65 watt 7950x so Effectively meaningless that also goes For the differences for the lack thereof Between the 750x and any mode and the 7900x for 7700x the most interesting Takeaway is that the 750x is able to Outperform the 76x by about 10 percent With the same 142 watt PBT despite Having to feed 10 more cores the lead Over the 13600k is 15 for 105 watt mode And 12 for 65 watt mode but again the 136k is far cheaper so for a more fair Comparison but it's still cheaper the 3900k is functionally tied 1440p is a Little bit shuffled but not in a way That matters the 750x at stock and Eco It's not falling within variants of its Own data set in Far Cry 6 the 7950x Again performed with an error of itself In all modes that's a good thing for eco Mode but it means that positioning Versus other CPUs is virtually Unaffected the 3900k at 196 FPS average Leads the 105 watt 7950x by 14 which ran At 172 and ties with the 7900x that Clearly reinforces the bad value for the 7550x and gaming only builds Final Fantasy 14 Intel blue past everyone and

Held a significant lead with the 3900k At 35 percent ahead of all 750 results Similarly if you look at the 7950x Results they're all with an error so Before anyone goes shouting to the hills About how eco mode is better than stock Or something that's not what you're Seeing here this is just run to run Variants and they're all the same the Rest of the games in our test Suite like Shadow of the Tomb Raider rainbow six Total Warhammer 3 for example show the Same story as Far Cry 6. within the Error at stock average FPS will rotate Through the results but they're the same Games typically aren't concurrently Threaded enough to get the CPU in a State where it needs to leverage many Cores at once and it's hitting that that Power limit as much you could probably Engineer an extreme scenario where you Would see more of a difference like Spawning hundreds of physics objects in A small environment but standard gaming On the 7950x is barely affected by the Existing eco mode presets now a couple Important notes here if you plan to use This on your own system when the Motherboards first shipped the early Bios did not have eco mode in them now PBO means you could just go and manually Tune the values whatever you want that's Your own eco mode it's it's a bespoke Eco mode it's custom and handmade except

In this case it is a lot easier to just Apply the settings that they've given You and that those will match our Results here so you can update BIOS for That if you haven't if you don't see eco Mode in your settings now uh for our Work we used 0705 BIOS version on the Asus motherboard that we test with xx70e Board we use we retested to see if there Were any major changes and there weren't Other than occasionally we saw 25 Megahertz Improvement on the 7950×1 Stock not enough to really impact the Results versus our review uh you're in Really really like less than one percent Differences in most cases so this is Something that will make a small Difference that slightly affects the Relationship between other CPUs on the Chart that are ryzen CPS but not in a Major way and uh for you you should just Get the latest bios to get eco mode so Concluding them some important power Numbers here all core is obviously the One that's impacted the most single core Workloads not really a change at all and Then and that's because you're you're Not bound by power there anyway so You're not really limiting much for Multi-threaded workloads that aren't Non-stop all core like blender is the Difference is is less than you'll see in A production application like chromium Or blender uh so in gaming yeah it might

Be all course sometimes but it's not not Running at 100 all the time you get that Spiky Behavior where maybe it hits the GPU for a bit maybe it backs off because There's some other bottleneck maybe There's an engine limit like you see in GTA 5 whatever so just as a recap of the Power numbers we showed earlier it's 263 Watts stock went under an all-core load It's 158 with 105 watt Eco modes that's Where you see that TDP does not equal Power consumption and then it's 89 Watts At 65 Watts eco mode frequencies we saw 305 megahertz drop at 105 watt eco mode So it's from 5103 down and then we saw a 1045 megahertz drop at 65 Watts eco mode For efficiency we did see that 36 Percent increase in efficiency for 105 Watt eco mode versus stock it is at the Cost of more time to render of course And then 55 more efficiency at 65 Watts But you're starting to cut off enough Performance where it's questionable Whether this is the right CPU to buy Anyway in games we didn't see huge Differences and then in production Applications you're approaching double Digits uh in some situations but 65 Watts and production applications again Just speaking as production users so a Little bit of opinion mixed in here from Our own use cases subjectively uh 65 Watt eco mode is not something we would Use because you're cutting it off the

Performance off that in a business Environment or any kind of freelance Environment where you use the CPU to Make money it just feels kind of bad to Spend extra 150 bucks and then torpedo The performance for whatever 10 13 For the sake of efficiency when you're Kind of losing time efficiency and Therefore maybe the reason you bought it To begin with a 105 watt eco mode is Actually really interesting though and You should be considering that one so That's it for this one thanks for your Patience as we work back through all the Follow-ups we've wanted to do for like a Month or two now uh really interesting Results 105 for sure 65 less interesting To us although handing on and gaming not Too bad so thanks for watching subscribe For more as always go to Store.gamersaccess.net to grab one of Our mod mats our coaster packs or our Other items to help us directly or Patreon.com Gamers Nexus where that Money is used directly to help fund our Testing procedures and the time we spend On all this thanks for watching we'll See you all next time